Granite Coming Down All Over the Place!

[Nehmo Sergheyev]

A little over two months ago, I brought to your attention the Ten
Commandments stone in front of the Wyandotte County Courthouse in Kansas
City, Kansas.
Subject: Ten Contaminants
http://www.ericseven.com?id=542 [1]

I happen to live half-a-block away from the other side of that
courthouse. (I moved to this place in March.)
That rock has irritated me every time I pass it, and after I had
discovered it was there, I've always planned to do something about it.
Tonight at about 9:30 pm, as I passed by, I noticed a Channel 9
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/index.html
camera truck by the courthouse. Then, when I came in the house, I
happily learned the news about the Alabama Ten Commandments rock coming
down. I decided now was the time to act on my local rock. I walked out
with my loyal dog to reconnoiter, and lo and behold, the rock was gone!

Let me repeat: The Ten Commandments rock that had been in front of the
Wyandotte County Courthouse in Kansas City is now gone.

[1] Full URL:
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[Nehmo Sergheyev]

Nehmo

Post by Nehmo Sergheyev
A little over two months ago, I brought to your attention the Ten
Commandments stone in front of the Wyandotte County Courthouse in

Kansas

Post by Nehmo Sergheyev
City, Kansas.
Subject: Ten Contaminants
http://www.ericseven.com?id=542 [1]

Brian Westley or Merlyn LeRoy

About a month after that, the ACLU threatened to sue, so the
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2358389/detail.html

Nehmo
I wasn't aware of the vote or the threat to sue. I'm shocked that I
missed this.

The article:
"Wyandotte County To Remove 10 Commandments From Courthouse
County Cites Lawsuit Threat As Reason For Removal

POSTED: July 25, 2003

KANSAS CITY, Kan. -- Wyandotte County is going to remove the "10
Commandments" monument from the lawn of the county courthouse.

Thursday night, the Unified Government unanimously voted to relocate the
monument across the street to St. Mary's-St. Anthony's Catholic Church.

The vote to move the monument was held after the American Civil
Liberties Union notified government officials that it planned to sue the
county on behalf of an unnamed individual, KMBC reported.

The county did not say when the monument will be moved."

[Gary - US]

That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere. You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.
--
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Post by Nehmo Sergheyev
A little over two months ago, I brought to your attention the Ten
Commandments stone in front of the Wyandotte County Courthouse in Kansas
City, Kansas.
Subject: Ten Contaminants
http://www.ericseven.com?id=542 [1]
I happen to live half-a-block away from the other side of that
courthouse. (I moved to this place in March.)
That rock has irritated me every time I pass it, and after I had
discovered it was there, I've always planned to do something about it.
Tonight at about 9:30 pm, as I passed by, I noticed a Channel 9
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/index.html
camera truck by the courthouse. Then, when I came in the house, I
happily learned the news about the Alabama Ten Commandments rock coming
down. I decided now was the time to act on my local rock. I walked out
with my loyal dog to reconnoiter, and lo and behold, the rock was gone!
Let me repeat: The Ten Commandments rock that had been in front of the
Wyandotte County Courthouse in Kansas City is now gone.

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[Eudaimonus]

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere. You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

Quote :

"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people"

[Peacenik]

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere.

Try reading the first 16 woirds of the First Amendment. There it is.

Post by Gary - US
You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

God? What god?

--
Chris

[J.R.]

Post by Peacenik

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere.

Try reading the first 16 woirds of the First Amendment. There it is.

Post by Gary - US
You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

God? What god?

Isn't "grace" Greek for ASS?

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Peacenik

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for
you and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad
The Constitution doesn't say that anywhere.

Try reading the first 16 woirds of the First Amendment. There it is.

Post by Gary - US
You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

God? What god?

Dunno, but apparently he's dating somebody named Grace...

[Gary - US]

Post by Peacenik

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere.

Try reading the first 16 woirds of the First Amendment. There it is.

Ok....here is the entire thing:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I still don't see seperation of church and state. I do see "prohibiting the
free exercise thereof" which you libs are trying to take away from us.

Post by Peacenik

Post by Gary - US
You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

God? What god?

The God.

Post by Peacenik
--
Chris

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US

Post by Peacenik

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for

you

Post by Peacenik

Post by Gary - US
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad
The Constitution doesn't say that anywhere.

Try reading the first 16 woirds of the First Amendment. There it is.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Good. You're learning to read.

Post by Gary - US
I still don't see seperation of church and state. I do see "prohibiting
the free exercise thereof" which you libs are trying to take away from us.

Okay, now read what Madison--who wrote the amendment--says the amendment
means...

[Peacenik]

The Founders also stated quite *clearly that separation was good not

just

for government but for *religion.

*Church*
The only thing said about religion is don't mess with it- any free
expression.

Don't forget the part about establishment: the government may not endorse
any particular religion over any other.

--
Chris

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Peacenik

The Founders also stated quite *clearly that separation was good not

just

for government but for *religion.

*Church*
The only thing said about religion is don't mess with it- any free
expression.

Don't forget the part about establishment: the government may not endorse
any particular religion over any other.

Or, according to Madison who wrote the amendment, any religion at all.

I like his phrase better than Jefferson's. "Perfect separation."

[Chas]

Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Or, according to Madison who wrote the amendment, any religion at all.
I like his phrase better than Jefferson's. "Perfect separation."

Again, you conflate the words, ignore the context and leap, joyfully, from
one semantic level of abstraction to another.
It's cute to watch, but I'm glad you're not running the country.

Chas

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Chas

Or, according to Madison who wrote the amendment, any religion at all. I
like his phrase better than Jefferson's. "Perfect separation."

Again, you conflate the words, ignore the context and leap, joyfully, from
one semantic level of abstraction to another. It's cute to watch, but I'm
glad you're not running the country.

Oh dear. Have I done the awful and quoted the people who actually WROTE
the damn thing?

Gosh I'm a terrible person...

[Gary - US]

You aren't quoting anything lib. You are interpreting it the way you and
all your libs want to. Hardly quoting.
--
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Chas

Or, according to Madison who wrote the amendment, any religion at all. I
like his phrase better than Jefferson's. "Perfect separation."

Again, you conflate the words, ignore the context and leap, joyfully, from
one semantic level of abstraction to another. It's cute to watch, but I'm
glad you're not running the country.

Oh dear. Have I done the awful and quoted the people who actually WROTE
the damn thing?
Gosh I'm a terrible person...
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
You aren't quoting anything lib. You are interpreting it the way you and
all your libs want to. Hardly quoting.

How would you know?

[Gary - US]

How would I know? What a thoughtful come back. Well let's see.....because
you are not quoting it. How's that?
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
You aren't quoting anything lib. You are interpreting it the way you and
all your libs want to. Hardly quoting.

How would you know?
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
How would I know? What a thoughtful come back. Well let's
see.....because you are not quoting it. How's that?

Let's see YOU quote some Madison.

Time to do your own homework Spanky...

[Gary - US]

I will have to do that however, you said you were quoting The Constitution.
Which you were not Buckwheat...
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
How would I know? What a thoughtful come back. Well let's
see.....because you are not quoting it. How's that?

Let's see YOU quote some Madison.
Time to do your own homework Spanky...
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
I will have to do that however, you said you were quoting The
Constitution. Which you were not Buckwheat...

No, I did not say I was quoting the Constitution. I was quoting Madison.

Have you gotten to him yet in your Civics Class in Junior High?

[Gary - US]

Sorry I misread your post.

Boy that one really hurt me. I think I may have to sue you.
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
I will have to do that however, you said you were quoting The
Constitution. Which you were not Buckwheat...

No, I did not say I was quoting the Constitution. I was quoting Madison.
Have you gotten to him yet in your Civics Class in Junior High?
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Gary - US]

No kidding....thanks God.
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Post by Chas

Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Or, according to Madison who wrote the amendment, any religion at all.
I like his phrase better than Jefferson's. "Perfect separation."

Again, you conflate the words, ignore the context and leap, joyfully, from
one semantic level of abstraction to another.
It's cute to watch, but I'm glad you're not running the country.
Chas

[Chas]

Post by Peacenik

*Church*
The only thing said about religion is don't mess with it- any free
expression.

Don't forget the part about establishment: the government may not endorse
any particular religion over any other.

The Government may not *establish* a State Church. That is to say that our
gummit couldn't follow Henry VIII's lead and establish a CoE type church.
The CoE has no relationship to the religion, nor to the Faith- it is a
political entity entire.
In terms of 'endorse', the Government is built on Faith, can't regulate free
practice of religion, and mayn't establish a Church.

Chas

[Peacenik]

Post by Chas

Post by Peacenik

*Church*
The only thing said about religion is don't mess with it- any free
expression.

Don't forget the part about establishment: the government may not endorse
any particular religion over any other.

The Government may not *establish* a State Church.

Yup. And that is exactly what Moore is trying to do.

Post by Chas
That is to say that our
gummit couldn't follow Henry VIII's lead and establish a CoE type church.

Or ANY church, for that matter, including Moore's.

Post by Chas
The CoE has no relationship to the religion, nor to the Faith- it is a
political entity entire.
In terms of 'endorse', the Government is built on Faith,

Utterly false. Lying does not help your argument.

Post by Chas
can't regulate free
practice of religion, and mayn't establish a Church.

Yup. Ergo, the separation of church and state, which Moore is violating.

--
Chris

[Gary - US]

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas

Post by Peacenik

*Church*
The only thing said about religion is don't mess with it- any free
expression.

Don't forget the part about establishment: the government may not

endorse

Post by Chas

Post by Peacenik
any particular religion over any other.

The Government may not *establish* a State Church.

Yup. And that is exactly what Moore is trying to do.

Exactly what he is NOT doing moron.

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas
That is to say that our
gummit couldn't follow Henry VIII's lead and establish a CoE type church.

Or ANY church, for that matter, including Moore's.

Wrong again idiot. He didn't "establish" anything.

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas
The CoE has no relationship to the religion, nor to the Faith- it is a
political entity entire.
In terms of 'endorse', the Government is built on Faith,

Utterly false. Lying does not help your argument.

How is that "utterly false"? See that is the problem with the libs
arguement, if you don't like history you just attempt to re-write it.
Lying like all you libs do just shows how weak your arguments are.

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas
can't regulate free
practice of religion, and mayn't establish a Church.

Yup. Ergo, the separation of church and state, which Moore is violating.

Again, there is nothing that says speration of church and state, which Judge
Moore is not violating.

Post by Peacenik
--
Chris

[Carol Lee Smith]

Post by Gary - US

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas
The Government may not *establish* a State Church.

Yup. And that is exactly what Moore is trying to do.

Exactly what he is NOT doing moron.

That should be spelled Moore-on!!!!!!!!!!

Read the decision.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US

Post by Peacenik
Or ANY church, for that matter, including Moore's.

Wrong again idiot. He didn't "establish" anything.

Read the decision.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US

Post by Peacenik
Utterly false. Lying does not help your argument.

How is that "utterly false"? See that is the problem with the libs
arguement, if you don't like history you just attempt to re-write it.
Lying like all you libs do just shows how weak your arguments are.

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas
can't regulate free
practice of religion, and mayn't establish a Church.

Yup. Ergo, the separation of church and state, which Moore is violating.

Again, there is nothing that says speration of church and state, which Judge
Moore is not violating.

Read the decision.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

[Gary - US]

Post by Carol Lee Smith

Post by Gary - US

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas
The Government may not *establish* a State Church.

Yup. And that is exactly what Moore is trying to do.

Exactly what he is NOT doing moron.

That should be spelled Moore-on!!!!!!!!!!
Read the decision.
http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US

Post by Peacenik
Or ANY church, for that matter, including Moore's.

Wrong again idiot. He didn't "establish" anything.

Read the decision.
http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US

Post by Peacenik
Utterly false. Lying does not help your argument.

How is that "utterly false"? See that is the problem with the libs
arguement, if you don't like history you just attempt to re-write it.
Lying like all you libs do just shows how weak your arguments are.

Post by Peacenik

Post by Chas
can't regulate free
practice of religion, and mayn't establish a Church.

Yup. Ergo, the separation of church and state, which Moore is violating.

Again, there is nothing that says speration of church and state, which Judge
Moore is not violating.

Read the decision.
http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Ok read it. Lord I hate lawyer speak. What about this right off the bat?:

"nor does the court hold that the Ten Commandments are not important, if not
one of the most important, sources of American law."

I believe that is what Judge Moore was using this display to represent.

How about the Declaration of Independence? Does this ring any bells?:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.."

I have to agree with you that I would much prefer the government stay out of
religion. However, I am also sick and tired of the minority overruling the
majority in today's society. But that too will change.

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Ok read it. Lord I hate lawyer speak.

Yet you have opinions on legal matters...

[Gary - US]

Is that not ok with you? I have to love lawyers to have opinions in legal
matters?
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Ok read it. Lord I hate lawyer speak.

Yet you have opinions on legal matters...
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Is that not ok with you? I have to love lawyers to have opinions in legal
matters?

There's the issue of, oh, knowing what you're talking about...

[Chas]

Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Is that not ok with you? I have to love lawyers to have opinions in legal
matters?

There's the issue of, oh, knowing what you're talking about...

There seem to be widely differing positions amongst lawyers.
For instance, isn't Judge Moore a lawyer?
Does anyone think he did this casually? Or somehow unknowing of the law? Or
unprepared to mount a defense to his actions?

Chas

[Fish Tacos]

Post by Chas

Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Is that not ok with you? I have to love lawyers to have opinions in

legal

Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
matters?

There's the issue of, oh, knowing what you're talking about...

There seem to be widely differing positions amongst lawyers.
For instance, isn't Judge Moore a lawyer?
Does anyone think he did this casually? Or somehow unknowing of the law? Or
unprepared to mount a defense to his actions?

Didn't he do it under cover of darkness?

Post by Chas
Chas

[Chas]

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Chas
For instance, isn't Judge Moore a lawyer?
Does anyone think he did this casually? Or somehow unknowing of the law? Or
unprepared to mount a defense to his actions?

Didn't he do it under cover of darkness?

Yup <g>
He and his merry band of pranksters snuck up on the courthouse and
tippy-toed in with a 5200 lb. rock.
Must have been the butler's night off, because they escaped detectionduh.

Chas

[Douglas Berry]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:15:45 -0600, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Chas

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Chas
For instance, isn't Judge Moore a lawyer?
Does anyone think he did this casually? Or somehow unknowing of the law?

Or

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Chas
unprepared to mount a defense to his actions?

Didn't he do it under cover of darkness?

Yup <g>
He and his merry band of pranksters snuck up on the courthouse and
tippy-toed in with a 5200 lb. rock.
Must have been the butler's night off, because they escaped detectionduh.

It was done at night. Without consulting the other eight members of
the Alabama Supreme Court.
--

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Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Fish Tacos]

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:57:24 GMT, Douglas Berry

Post by Douglas Berry
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:15:45 -0600, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Chas

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Chas
For instance, isn't Judge Moore a lawyer?
Does anyone think he did this casually? Or somehow unknowing of the law?

Or

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Chas
unprepared to mount a defense to his actions?

Didn't he do it under cover of darkness?

Yup <g>
He and his merry band of pranksters snuck up on the courthouse and
tippy-toed in with a 5200 lb. rock.
Must have been the butler's night off, because they escaped detectionduh.

It was done at night. Without consulting the other eight members of
the Alabama Supreme Court.

Like I said, "under cover of darkness"

[Gary - US]

There was no "under cover of darkness". He just didn't ask their
permission. And it was televised.
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Post by Fish Tacos
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:57:24 GMT, Douglas Berry

Post by Douglas Berry
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:15:45 -0600, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Chas

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Chas
For instance, isn't Judge Moore a lawyer?
Does anyone think he did this casually? Or somehow unknowing of the law?

Or

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Chas
unprepared to mount a defense to his actions?

Didn't he do it under cover of darkness?

Yup <g>
He and his merry band of pranksters snuck up on the courthouse and
tippy-toed in with a 5200 lb. rock.
Must have been the butler's night off, because they escaped

detectionduh.

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Douglas Berry
It was done at night. Without consulting the other eight members of
the Alabama Supreme Court.

Like I said, "under cover of darkness"

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Again, there is nothing that says speration of church and state, which
Judge Moore is not violating.

Then you are utterly ignorant of what the Founders wrote...

[Gary - US]

Then again, no I am not. Why do you say that? Because I don't take you
liberal interpretation of it? Of course. We all know how liberals what
free speech as long as it doesn't have to do with anything conservative.
You prove that one all the time.
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Again, there is nothing that says speration of church and state, which
Judge Moore is not violating.

Then you are utterly ignorant of what the Founders wrote...
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Then again, no I am not. Why do you say that?

Because it's true.

Post by Gary - US
Because I don't take you
liberal interpretation of it? Of course. We all know how liberals what
free speech as long as it doesn't have to do with anything conservative.
You prove that one all the time.

Since when have I been a "liberal?" When did this happen? And why didn't
you *tell me before now?

[Gary - US]

It must have snuck up on you! And I need to make sure the spell checker is
working. Dang.
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Then again, no I am not. Why do you say that?

Because it's true.

Post by Gary - US
Because I don't take you
liberal interpretation of it? Of course. We all know how liberals what
free speech as long as it doesn't have to do with anything conservative.
You prove that one all the time.

Since when have I been a "liberal?" When did this happen? And why didn't
you *tell me before now?
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
It must have snuck up on you! And I need to make sure the spell checker
is working. Dang.

But you know what's funny? I'm not one.

Weird huh?

[Gary - US]

Not really. I know that there are people on both sides of the political
spectrum taking either side on this one. And even though I might argue with
you, I am not trying to silence you. You have ever right to say anything
you like about it. I just don't have to agree with you.
--
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
It must have snuck up on you! And I need to make sure the spell checker
is working. Dang.

But you know what's funny? I'm not one.
Weird huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Not really. I know that there are people on both sides of the political
spectrum taking either side on this one. And even though I might argue
with you, I am not trying to silence you. You have ever right to say
anything you like about it. I just don't have to agree with you.

It's still silly to call someone a "liberal" when you don't even know what
their politics actually *are...

[Gary - US]

Agreed. I apologize for all the name calling.
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Not really. I know that there are people on both sides of the political
spectrum taking either side on this one. And even though I might argue
with you, I am not trying to silence you. You have ever right to say
anything you like about it. I just don't have to agree with you.

It's still silly to call someone a "liberal" when you don't even know what
their politics actually *are...
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Fish Tacos]

Post by Gary - US
Agreed. I apologize for all the name calling.

Good - have you confessed your sins too?

[Gary - US]

I wasn't talking you moron.
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Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
Agreed. I apologize for all the name calling.

Good - have you confessed your sins too?

[Fish Tacos]

Post by Gary - US
I wasn't talking you moron.

Good - you can type and read without sounding out the words.

Score one for Gary!

Now go confess your sins before you slide into the toilet and fall out
of God's grace.

[Gary - US]

I sure can taco......probably more than can be said for you. How is your
union treating you?
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Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
I wasn't talking you moron.

Good - you can type and read without sounding out the words.
Score one for Gary!
Now go confess your sins before you slide into the toilet and fall out
of God's grace.

[Fish Tacos]

Post by Gary - US
I sure can taco......probably more than can be said for you. How is your
union treating you?

union? I'm not in any stinkin' union.

[Jesus Christ]

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
I sure can taco......probably more than can be said for you. How is
your union treating you?

union? I'm not in any stinkin' union.

You must be, because you're an atheist, therefore a leftist, therefore a
communist, therefore un-American, and therefore a union member.
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[Fish Tacos]

Post by Jesus Christ

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
I sure can taco......probably more than can be said for you. How is
your union treating you?

union? I'm not in any stinkin' union.

You must be, because you're an atheist, therefore a leftist, therefore a
communist, therefore un-American, and therefore a union member.

In that case, I'm going on strike.

[Gary - US]

Didn't say anything about being a communist or un-American.
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Post by Jesus Christ

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
I sure can taco......probably more than can be said for you. How is
your union treating you?

union? I'm not in any stinkin' union.

You must be, because you're an atheist, therefore a leftist, therefore a
communist, therefore un-American, and therefore a union member.
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[Douglas Berry]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:17:33 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
I sure can taco......probably more than can be said for you. How is your
union treating you?

I was formerly a member of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters,
Local 665, and they treated us wonderfully. We had a living wage,
good benefits, and job security. and our office of SuperShuttle made
more money than any other local by hand over fist.
--

Douglas Berry ***@mindspring.com
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Douglas Berry]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:14:03 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
I wasn't talking you moron.

Go ask a sailor to explain the concept of a public forum to you.
--

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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Gary - US]

No thanks.
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Post by Douglas Berry
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:14:03 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
I wasn't talking you moron.

Go ask a sailor to explain the concept of a public forum to you.
--
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Douglas Berry]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:17:51 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
No thanks.

Scared of sailors as well as liberals?

--

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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Gary - US]

No. I just don't swing that way.

And I am not afraid of liberals. Although I must admit the though of
another clintoon holding the office of president does frighten me. It
frightens me a great deal.
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Post by Douglas Berry
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:17:51 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
No thanks.

Scared of sailors as well as liberals?
--
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Jesus Christ]

Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Not really. I know that there are people on both sides of the
political spectrum taking either side on this one. And even though
I might argue with you, I am not trying to silence you. You have
ever right to say anything you like about it. I just don't have to
agree with you.

It's still silly to call someone a "liberal" when you don't even know
what their politics actually *are...

Strawmen are our friends.
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[Gary - US]

Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments "establishing"
religion. You are proof of my point. Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.
Which is exactly what the founders meant. Not the liberal interpretations
that you and you kind spin it to be. And why are you cross posting this in
3 different groups? In an atheism, kc.general, and misc legal? So I take
it you are a practicing, if you can call it that, atheist.
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Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere. You are why this country is
sliding into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

First of all, the Constitution doesn't "say" a lot of things that it
*means. Which is why the courts rely on what the Founders wrote in
explaining what they *intended. And the people behind the 1st were quite
clear they meant "wall of separation." That phrase started with Jefferson.
It's not new. It's old as the Constitution itself.
The Founders also stated quite *clearly that separation was good not just
for government but for *religion. That entanglements between the two
corrupt BOTH. Folks who are being led by the nose over this issue don't
seem to "get it" that the politicians are USING them and the religion will
be corrupted and destroyed for political gain.
You want, maybe, government oversight of religion like such great
organizations such as the IRS maybe? Do you trust politicians to run your
religion?
And notice that the parts of the West where christianity is literally
*dying *out are almost all places where church and state were (or still
are at least nominally) entangled. Here in the US, christianity is
flourishing. That's in large part due to separation.
If the "liberal piece of dog crap" types wanted to destroy christianity,
they'd give you what you say you want.
Establishment has almost totally eliminated christianity in Europe. Maybe
it's time to go for establishment here so we can finally be rid of the
religion?
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:02:19 -0500, "Gary - US"

Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments "establishing"
religion. You are proof of my point. Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.
Which is exactly what the founders meant. Not the liberal interpretations
that you and you kind spin it to be. And why are you cross posting this in
3 different groups? In an atheism, kc.general, and misc legal? So I take
it you are a practicing, if you can call it that, atheist.

What "religion our great country was founded on" would taht be?

If it were, why doesn't the constitution say so?

Why does the constitution actually derive its authority from "We the
people"?

I take it you are a historical revisionist, and if you can call it
that in spite of your false witness, a Christian.

[Gary - US]

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:02:19 -0500, "Gary - US"

Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments

"establishing"

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
religion. You are proof of my point. Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.
Which is exactly what the founders meant. Not the liberal

interpretations

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
that you and you kind spin it to be. And why are you cross posting this in
3 different groups? In an atheism, kc.general, and misc legal? So I take
it you are a practicing, if you can call it that, atheist.

What "religion our great country was founded on" would taht be?

taht would be the Christian religion. I know it is hard for you to keep up
but please make a feeble attempt at it. I know how you all like to play
dumb, but it is so unbecoming.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
If it were, why doesn't the constitution say so?
Why does the constitution actually derive its authority from "We the
people"?

Because it was put together by men, based in Christian faith. Deny it all
you want. It still doesn't make it go away.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
I take it you are a historical revisionist, and if you can call it
that in spite of your false witness, a Christian.

Hardly. Tell me this lib? What is your "interpetation" of the 2nd
Ammendment? I bet you don't want to read that one like is it really written
either do you?

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Because it was put together by men, based in Christian faith. Deny it all
you want. It still doesn't make it go away.

Don't have to deny it. The Founders who built the country denied that the
US was "based in Christian faith."

[Gary - US]

And this is found where?
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Gary - US
Because it was put together by men, based in Christian faith. Deny it all
you want. It still doesn't make it go away.

Don't have to deny it. The Founders who built the country denied that the
US was "based in Christian faith."
--
Mark K. Bilbo

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
And this is found where?

They're called "books."

[Douglas Berry]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:01:19 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US

Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Don't have to deny it. The Founders who built the country denied that the
US was "based in Christian faith."

And this is found where?

The Treaty of Tripoli

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any
sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no
character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of
Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or
act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the
parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever
produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two
countries."
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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Chas]

Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Don't have to deny it. The Founders who built the country denied that the
US was "based in Christian faith."

In order to avoid war with the same assholes we are still fighting today-
the Muslims.
Admission that they were Christians, or came from a Christian country, would
have fomented war on a religious basis.
They avoided that by that statement in the Treaty of Tripoli.
That's all.

Chas

[Jesus Christ]

Post by Chas

Post by Mark K. Bilbo
Don't have to deny it. The Founders who built the country denied
that the US was "based in Christian faith."

In order to avoid war with the same assholes we are still fighting
today- the Muslims.
Admission that they were Christians, or came from a Christian country,
would have fomented war on a religious basis.
They avoided that by that statement in the Treaty of Tripoli.
That's all.

So they didn't *really* mean it then? It was a sort of a wink-wink,
nudge-nudge thing that wasn't supposed to be taken seriously?
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Post by Jesus Christ
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Jesus H. Fucking Christ.....

If the above sig and nome-de-usenet isn't taking the Lord's name in
vain, nothing is.

Hey, buddy. I'm calling you on the Luke 6:30 thing.

Please send me your next 4 paychecks and your car.

[Jesus Christ]

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Jesus Christ
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Jesus H. Fucking Christ.....
If the above sig and nome-de-usenet isn't taking the Lord's name in
vain, nothing is.
Hey, buddy. I'm calling you on the Luke 6:30 thing.
Please send me your next 4 paychecks and your car.

I'm not a Christian. I'm trying to get actual Christians to buy me
stuff.
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[Chas]

Post by Jesus Christ
So they didn't *really* mean it then? It was a sort of a wink-wink,
nudge-nudge thing that wasn't supposed to be taken seriously?

Yup- look at the entire language. It's meant to make sure the combatants
knew that the difficulty was not a 'religious' war.
Same reason we picked Saddam rather than the Saud's.

Chas

[Jesus Christ]

Post by Chas

Post by Jesus Christ
So they didn't *really* mean it then? It was a sort of a wink-wink,
nudge-nudge thing that wasn't supposed to be taken seriously?

Yup- look at the entire language. It's meant to make sure the

combatants

Post by Chas
knew that the difficulty was not a 'religious' war.
Same reason we picked Saddam rather than the Saud's.

And your justification for this is what, exactly?

And what other laws have been passed that we really shouldn't follow,
since you know for certain that the people who passed them didn't really
want it?
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[Chas]

Post by Jesus Christ
And your justification for this is what, exactly?

'Justification' for what, exactly?

Post by Jesus Christ
And what other laws have been passed that we really shouldn't follow,
since you know for certain that the people who passed them didn't really
want it?

We're talking a statement in a treaty- nothing to do with law.
And, really nothing to do with domestic policy; not much to do with any
position on 'religion' except as regards going to war with the Musselman.

Chas

[Jesus Christ]

Post by Chas

Post by Jesus Christ
And your justification for this is what, exactly?

'Justification' for what, exactly?

For claiming that the US didn't really mean it wasn't founded on the
Christian religion, as you just asserted.

Post by Chas

Post by Jesus Christ
And what other laws have been passed that we really shouldn't
follow, since you know for certain that the people who passed them
didn't really want it?

We're talking a statement in a treaty- nothing to do with law.
And, really nothing to do with domestic policy; not much to do with
any position on 'religion' except as regards going to war with the
Musselman.

Okay, you're trying to explain the constitution to us, and you do not
even know what it entails.

Treaties with other countries are considered the law of the land in the
USA.

Either you know nothing of what you speak of, or are an outright liar.
Educate yourself before claiming to know what the US constitution says,
because you're just plain outright wrong.
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[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:31:31 -0500, "Gary - US"

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:02:19 -0500, "Gary - US"

Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments

"establishing"

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
religion. You are proof of my point. Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.
Which is exactly what the founders meant. Not the liberal

interpretations

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
that you and you kind spin it to be. And why are you cross posting this

in

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
3 different groups? In an atheism, kc.general, and misc legal? So I

take

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
it you are a practicing, if you can call it that, atheist.

What "religion our great country was founded on" would taht be?

taht would be the Christian religion. I know it is hard for you to keep up
but please make a feeble attempt at it. I know how you all like to play
dumb, but it is so unbecoming.

Why do you continue to lie?

You know as well as I do, that the country was not "founded on
Christianity". SOME of the colonies were started by the religious.
Others weren't.

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
If it were, why doesn't the constitution say so?

Couldn't answer this, could you?

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
Why does the constitution actually derive its authority from "We the
people"?

Because it was put together by men, based in Christian faith. Deny it all
you want. It still doesn't make it go away.

Nope. By men. Period. No mention of the Christian faith that you want
to enforce on the rest of us.

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
I take it you are a historical revisionist, and if you can call it
that in spite of your false witness, a Christian.

Hardly. Tell me this lib? What is your "interpetation" of the 2nd
Ammendment? I bet you don't want to read that one like is it really written
either do you?

I'm answering you, liar. I interpret it exactly as it is written. No
establishment of religion, nor interference with people's freedom.
However what you, Moore and the other religious extremists forget, is
that Moore, Private citizen can have as much religious freedom as he
wants but Moore, government agent cannot support any one religion or
even religion per se.

[Gary - US]

My Chris you just know it all don't you? I wish I was a mind reading like
you so I could know exactly what everyone means . Please enlighten me on
your interpretation of the 2nd
Amendment? I can't wait to hear this one.
--
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:31:31 -0500, "Gary - US"

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:02:19 -0500, "Gary - US"

Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments

"establishing"

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
religion. You are proof of my point. Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.
Which is exactly what the founders meant. Not the liberal

interpretations

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
that you and you kind spin it to be. And why are you cross posting this

in

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
3 different groups? In an atheism, kc.general, and misc legal? So I

take

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gary - US
it you are a practicing, if you can call it that, atheist.

What "religion our great country was founded on" would taht be?

taht would be the Christian religion. I know it is hard for you to keep up
but please make a feeble attempt at it. I know how you all like to play
dumb, but it is so unbecoming.

Why do you continue to lie?
You know as well as I do, that the country was not "founded on
Christianity". SOME of the colonies were started by the religious.
Others weren't.

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
If it were, why doesn't the constitution say so?

Couldn't answer this, could you?

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
Why does the constitution actually derive its authority from "We the
people"?

Because it was put together by men, based in Christian faith. Deny it all
you want. It still doesn't make it go away.

Nope. By men. Period. No mention of the Christian faith that you want
to enforce on the rest of us.

Post by Gary - US

Post by Christopher A. Lee
I take it you are a historical revisionist, and if you can call it
that in spite of your false witness, a Christian.

Hardly. Tell me this lib? What is your "interpetation" of the 2nd
Ammendment? I bet you don't want to read that one like is it really written
either do you?

I'm answering you, liar. I interpret it exactly as it is written. No
establishment of religion, nor interference with people's freedom.
However what you, Moore and the other religious extremists forget, is
that Moore, Private citizen can have as much religious freedom as he
wants but Moore, government agent cannot support any one religion or
even religion per se.

[Cyberia]

Post by Gary - US
My Chris you just know it all don't you? I wish I was a mind reading
like you so I could know exactly what everyone means . Please
enlighten me on your interpretation of the 2nd
Amendment? I can't wait to hear this one.

The second amendment to the constitution guarantees citizens the right to
bear arms. I am at a loss to interpret how you may find this significant in
supporting your untenable position. ?!?!

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[Gary - US]

It has nothing to do with it. I just wanted to hear his "interpretation" of
it. It's very clear what it says. However, people that read into the 1st
Amendment want to take stuff out of the 2nd when they read it.
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Post by Cyberia

Post by Gary - US
My Chris you just know it all don't you? I wish I was a mind reading
like you so I could know exactly what everyone means . Please
enlighten me on your interpretation of the 2nd
Amendment? I can't wait to hear this one.

The second amendment to the constitution guarantees citizens the right to
bear arms. I am at a loss to interpret how you may find this significant in
supporting your untenable position. ?!?!
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[Jesus Christ]

Post by Gary - US
It has nothing to do with it. I just wanted to hear his
"interpretation" of it. It's very clear what it says. However,
people that read into the 1st Amendment want to take stuff out of the
2nd when they read it.

The purpose of the second amendment was to keep the government scared of
the people.

What do you think of the PATRIOT Act?
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Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron.

Do you mean Moore-on?


Read the decision.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
How is displaying the 10 Commandments "establishing" religion.

That is very nicely explained in the decision.

Read the decision.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
You are proof of my point. Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.

Our great country was not founded on religion. Our great country was
founded on a Constitution which is, thank goodness, a secular document.
No imaginary deities included therein.

Read the decision.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
Which is exactly what the founders meant.

What did the founders mean by providing us with a godless Constitution?

Read the decision.

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
Not the liberal interpretations that you and you kind spin it to be.
And why are you cross posting this in
3 different groups? In an atheism, kc.general, and misc legal? So I take
it you are a practicing, if you can call it that, atheist.

Do you thin that everyone who posts in alt.atheism is atheist?

[Gary - US]

I thin so.
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Post by Carol Lee Smith

Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron.

Do you mean Moore-on?
Read the decision.
http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
How is displaying the 10 Commandments "establishing" religion.

That is very nicely explained in the decision.
Read the decision.
http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
You are proof of my point. Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.

Our great country was not founded on religion. Our great country was
founded on a Constitution which is, thank goodness, a secular document.
No imaginary deities included therein.
Read the decision.
http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
Which is exactly what the founders meant.

What did the founders mean by providing us with a godless Constitution?
Read the decision.
http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf

Post by Gary - US
Not the liberal interpretations that you and you kind spin it to be.
And why are you cross posting this in
3 different groups? In an atheism, kc.general, and misc legal? So I take
it you are a practicing, if you can call it that, atheist.

Do you thin that everyone who posts in alt.atheism is atheist?

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Carol Lee Smith
Read the decision.

Now, now Carol, you *know the "R" word scares him...

[Gary - US]

Right? No I love the Right. It's the L word that scares me.
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo

Post by Carol Lee Smith
Read the decision.

Now, now Carol, you *know the "R" word scares him...
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[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Right? No I love the Right. It's the L word that scares me.

Try rereading the post v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y...

[Douglas Berry]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:05:19 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
Right? No I love the Right. It's the L word that scares me.

Not making Marines like they used to, I guess. Of course, us Army
Doggies aren't afraid of mere political views.

Don't worry, jarhead, the Navy will protect you from the big bad
liberals. :)

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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:05:19 -0500, several witnesses claim to have seen

Post by Gary - US
Right? No I love the Right. It's the L word that scares me.

Not making Marines like they used to, I guess. Of course, us Army Doggies
aren't afraid of mere political views.
Don't worry, jarhead, the Navy will protect you from the big bad liberals.
:)

ROFL!!!!!!!!!

[Gary - US]

Not afraid of any political view clown. And Army doggies is right and about
as smart. I hardly need to Navy or the mess that is the Army to protect me
from anything atheist vet loser.
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Post by Douglas Berry
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:05:19 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
Right? No I love the Right. It's the L word that scares me.

Not making Marines like they used to, I guess. Of course, us Army
Doggies aren't afraid of mere political views.
Don't worry, jarhead, the Navy will protect you from the big bad
liberals. :)
--
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Douglas Berry]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:11:11 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
Not afraid of any political view clown. And Army doggies is right and about
as smart. I hardly need to Navy or the mess that is the Army to protect me
from anything atheist vet loser.

Whatever, leather brain.

By the way, how many Marines were involved in the two largest
amphibious invasions of all history?

Yup. I'm a vet. And an atheist. And I've got the guts to use my
real name and email. Unlike you. A disgrace to the standards and
history of the United States Marine Corps.

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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Gary - US]

What the hell would you know about the standards of the Corps? You probably
served 4 years in the Army since the Corps wouldn't have you or you were too
much of a punk to even try? And I see you were just a leg. Couldn't cut it
in Airborne or Rangers huh weasel? It has nothing to do with guts using my
"real" name in my email address. I guess you haven't heard of this thing
called spam huh clown?
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Post by Douglas Berry
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:11:11 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
Not afraid of any political view clown. And Army doggies is right and about
as smart. I hardly need to Navy or the mess that is the Army to protect me
from anything atheist vet loser.

Whatever, leather brain.
By the way, how many Marines were involved in the two largest
amphibious invasions of all history?
Yup. I'm a vet. And an atheist. And I've got the guts to use my
real name and email. Unlike you. A disgrace to the standards and
history of the United States Marine Corps.
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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Douglas Berry]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:26:49 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
What the hell would you know about the standards of the Corps? You probably
served 4 years in the Army since the Corps wouldn't have you or you were too
much of a punk to even try? And I see you were just a leg. Couldn't cut it
in Airborne or Rangers huh weasel? It has nothing to do with guts using my
"real" name in my email address. I guess you haven't heard of this thing
called spam huh clown?

My MOS was 11B2V. I left as an E-6, and went through Ranger School in
1985. I also attended the USMC Scout/Sniper Course in 1986. I served
along side Marines at 1st JSOC, and know many current and former
Marines.

I joined the Army because I dislike oceans, and the Army gave me a
training gurantee.

So, you're now scared of spam, sailors and liberals. Learn to use
filters. I get maybe 12 pieces of spam a day. I can use the delete
key. Most of it goes right into the trash. Once again, maybe you
should get a Sea Scout to explain to you how your computer works.

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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Gary - US]

Yea.....I want to be just like you when I grow up clown:

"My proiudest moment had to be when I was decorated for getting a perfect
score on the Field Hygeine and Sanitation NCO test."
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Post by Douglas Berry
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:05:19 -0500, several witnesses claim to have

Post by Gary - US
Right? No I love the Right. It's the L word that scares me.

Not making Marines like they used to, I guess. Of course, us Army
Doggies aren't afraid of mere political views.
Don't worry, jarhead, the Navy will protect you from the big bad
liberals. :)
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Douglas Berry]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:15:20 -0500, several witnesses claim to have
It's good to have a high goal.

Post by Gary - US
"My proiudest moment had to be when I was decorated for getting a perfect
score on the Field Hygeine and Sanitation NCO test."

Yup. Summed up my amusement at the Army. After getting my rifles,
wings, and tab, I get a medal for passing the FH&S test.
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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
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[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Gary - US
Supporting the religion our great
country was founded on is hardly establishing a state founded religion.
Which is exactly what the founders meant.

You are obviously utterly without knowledge of what the Founders wrote.

[Hypatia Kosh]

Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments "establishing"
religion.

Because there is no "the" Ten Commandments. Judge Moore installed the
Protestant 10 Commandments, giving state endorsement to his brand of
Protestant Christianity above all others.

I think some Catholics and Jews might have an issue with that, not to
mention non-Christians and non-theists of every stripe.

Oh, and Moore might need to have a little talk with GAWD, for making
an idol out of the commandments. Apparently he failed to read #2.

-Hypatia <*> Kosh

[Gary - US]

Like I said, The Ten Commandments.
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Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments

"establishing"

Post by Hypatia Kosh

Post by Gary - US
religion.

Because there is no "the" Ten Commandments. Judge Moore installed the
Protestant 10 Commandments, giving state endorsement to his brand of
Protestant Christianity above all others.
I think some Catholics and Jews might have an issue with that, not to
mention non-Christians and non-theists of every stripe.
Oh, and Moore might need to have a little talk with GAWD, for making
an idol out of the commandments. Apparently he failed to read #2.
-Hypatia <*> Kosh

[Jesus Christ]

Post by Hypatia Kosh

Post by Gary - US
Establishment moron. How is displaying the 10 Commandments
"establishing" religion.

Because there is no "the" Ten Commandments. Judge Moore installed the
Protestant 10 Commandments, giving state endorsement to his brand of
Protestant Christianity above all others.
I think some Catholics and Jews might have an issue with that, not to
mention non-Christians and non-theists of every stripe.
Oh, and Moore might need to have a little talk with GAWD, for making
an idol out of the commandments. Apparently he failed to read #2.

Do you *honestly* believe people such as Moore care about what the Bible
says? They're only interested in establishing a theocratic state where
*they* call the shots over intentionally ignorant or purposely fearful
masses.

Case in point: every woman in extreme Islamic countries wear veils that
either cover their head or their entire bodies. No where in the Qu'ran
does it say to do this - it only exists in the minds of the Mullahs.
Every single citizen in those countries will publicly state such a
requirement "is in there somewhere" or "we do what we're told".

It was never about religion. Religion was just a tool for Moore to have
a common ground with the masses who will, in turn, support his hateful,
intolerant, regressive agenda. Moore and his allies would love the
ignorance and that fear so widespread in theocratic countries to be
widespread in their countries - just so as long as they're in control.

Another threat reports 80% are in favour of the Commandments being
displayed. I would wager 90% of those can not name more than four
commandments. I would wager they have a friend whose not Christian who
they don't realize would be the first to be punished under those
theocratic laws. I would wager they themselves constantly violate many
of those commandments without knowing it. But hey - religion means
morality, right? Morality is good, right? So Moore must be good! How
can people take away the commandments like that... doesn't one of them
have Jesus saying "do unto others as you would do unto yourself?" How
can anyone disagree with that!?
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[Fish Tacos]

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere. You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

Is that the Christian attitude?

Nice...

Perhaps you're the reason this country is "falling out of God's grace".

[Gary - US]

And what reason would that be taco?
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Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
That's just grand you liberal piece of dog crap. Another victory for you
and your made up "separation of Church and state" gang huh? To bad The
Constitution doesn't say that anywhere. You are why this country is sliding
into the toilet and falling out of God's grace.

Is that the Christian attitude?
Nice...
Perhaps you're the reason this country is "falling out of God's grace".

[Fish Tacos]

Post by Gary - US
And what reason would that be taco?

It might have something to do with Christians calling those whose views
differ from theirs things like "liberal piece of dog crap".

Proverbs 17:27 He who restrains his words has knowledge, And he who
has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.

BTW, just how many of the 10 Commandments do you see as applicable to
our laws?

It seems to me that only 2 of them are actually part of the laws of the
US.

I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with the government promoting the
6th (Thou shalt not kill) and the 8th (Thou shalt not steal)
commandments.

If you guys really want to post the revised and abridged Two
Commandments, I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as you paid
for it yourself.

I don't particularly want the government telling me to "have no other
gods before me". And if it's the gov't saying it, does the "me" refer
to the God in the Bible, or does it it refer to government?

[Gary - US]

Just because I said for one side of this issue you assume I am a hardcore
Bible thumper? That is not the case. And I agree that in today's society
it appears that on the 6th and the 8th Commandments appeal to the masses.
Anyways I guess there is no reason to argue this point for much longer. The
government stepped in and told us what religious monuments can be displayed
in state buildings. And they removed it. So that would appear to be the
end of the story. No use in us becoming enemies over something that has
already been decided without any input from us.
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Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
And what reason would that be taco?

It might have something to do with Christians calling those whose views
differ from theirs things like "liberal piece of dog crap".
Proverbs 17:27 He who restrains his words has knowledge, And he who
has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.
BTW, just how many of the 10 Commandments do you see as applicable to
our laws?
It seems to me that only 2 of them are actually part of the laws of the
US.
I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with the government promoting the
6th (Thou shalt not kill) and the 8th (Thou shalt not steal)
commandments.
If you guys really want to post the revised and abridged Two
Commandments, I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as you paid
for it yourself.
I don't particularly want the government telling me to "have no other
gods before me". And if it's the gov't saying it, does the "me" refer
to the God in the Bible, or does it it refer to government?

[Fish Tacos]

Post by Gary - US
Just because I said for one side of this issue you assume I am a hardcore
Bible thumper?

Well, you did say "this country is sliding into the toilet and falling
out of God's grace."

How could we be "falling out of God's grace" in your opinion if you
weren't somewhat religious?

Post by Gary - US
That is not the case. And I agree that in today's society
it appears that on the 6th and the 8th Commandments appeal to the masses.

Yup - in fact those 2 commandments are about the only ones that
non-Christians and non-Jews would agree with and both are AFAIK illegal
in every country in the world (unless you're the gov't, of course).

Post by Gary - US
Anyways I guess there is no reason to argue this point for much longer. The
government stepped in and told us what religious monuments can be displayed
in state buildings. And they removed it. So that would appear to be the
end of the story. No use in us becoming enemies over something that has
already been decided without any input from us.

Okay, sounds good to me.

[Gary - US]

Cool. Peace then.

I didn't say I wasn't religious at all. I just said I am not a Bible
thumper.
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Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
Just because I said for one side of this issue you assume I am a hardcore
Bible thumper?

Well, you did say "this country is sliding into the toilet and falling
out of God's grace."
How could we be "falling out of God's grace" in your opinion if you
weren't somewhat religious?

Post by Gary - US
That is not the case. And I agree that in today's society
it appears that on the 6th and the 8th Commandments appeal to the masses.

Yup - in fact those 2 commandments are about the only ones that
non-Christians and non-Jews would agree with and both are AFAIK illegal
in every country in the world (unless you're the gov't, of course).

Post by Gary - US
Anyways I guess there is no reason to argue this point for much longer.

The

Post by Fish Tacos

Post by Gary - US
government stepped in and told us what religious monuments can be displayed
in state buildings. And they removed it. So that would appear to be the
end of the story. No use in us becoming enemies over something that has
already been decided without any input from us.

Okay, sounds good to me.